The below comment (essay) was left by Israeli Krav Systems instructor Nir Maman on the Kosher Costa And The Bottomless Pit Of Israeli Tactical Derp post. Funny enough, Nir Maman is actually the instructor in the Cursory Safety Check Then Point Guns At Each Other And Pull The Trigger I poked fun at (which he conveniently failed to mention). Yea it’s really long winded, but an interesting / funny read. An occasional occurrence on these Israeli derp videos is that other Israeli instructors or methodology enthusiasts say “they’re doing it wrong!”… the below comment is no exception. Anyway, this guy is very disappointed in us, and our reaction to the video. Read why in the below 2055 word (yes it’s that long, I shit you not) essay:
Hello everyone,
A friend of mine in the industry recently asked me to weigh in on this discussion, I initially didn’t really care to get involved. I gave him my opinion and told him to feel free to post it on here.
I then came on here to read what’s going. It’s nothing short of disappointing. You people are, supposedly, professionals…and in some cases instructors! The scariest notion is seeing individuals with such a lack of intellect, professionalism, and most importantly, maturity, and know that they represent our community….and handle firearms.
It’s a real shame.
Either way, I decided to post my initial response (which is below) to my friend on this subject. I don’t intend on changing anyone’s mind on anything. I’ll reference Mark Twain’s famous quote:
“For those who believe no evidence is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no amount of evidence will ever be enough.”
I do hope that each and every one of you put in the effort of becoming more knowledgeable with facts and becoming more mature. I have an open offer I make at the end of my response, I sure do hope you all take me up on it.
Live with purpose, not opinions.
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Oh boy. What can say. I appreciate you reaching out for my comments on this ‘discussion’, but I don’t know if I will bother to get involved….these days I’m just really too busy to be concerned with high school banter.
Look, In short, they are not 100% wrong with their assessment of this video. I know the instructor, although I can’t attest 100% that he did serve in our Special Forces (because I never verified), he claims that he did and I have no reason to not believe him. That said, he was not an instructor in our service to the best of my recollection.
There are 3 types of Israeli training offered on the open market today (for all of our methodologies, shooting, Krav Maga, etc):
1) Real/legitimate training which is based on our modern approach and is Good. Good enough to say that the rest of the world needs to shut their mouths and open their ears because they have more to learn from us on the subject of real world combat than they can ever teach us.
Fact is the entire world, including the US, lost it’s virginity to modern warfare, especially against terrorism, only 10 years ago, while we (Israel) have been fighting it, to survive (not as a luxury like the US and the rest of the world) for the last 70 years.
I can give conclusive evidence of the above statement by virtue of two prolonged experiences:
First, My position during my last term of service at the Israeli Special Forces Counter Terror School as commander of our International Training Section where my job was to train all the US SpecOp units and the units of the rest of the world involved in the ‘Global War on Terror’ that would be sent to us to learn our methodologies before deploying to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Most of their units came with open minds….and more than enough came with the same piss filled attitudes comprised of more ego than brain and certainly experience (and I am referring to the US’s TOP units), such as the individuals posting on this ‘discussion’.
In the latter instances, I would have to spend more of my time educating them on just how ‘naked’ they were in today’s theater of operations against real terrorism. This was too easy to do. I would simply set up force-on-force scenarios with our instructors playing the ‘terrorists’ and them the ‘good guys’.
I would do nothing more than set up situations that we encounter on a daily basis which they have never even imagined of, let them rely on tactics they use which are based on nothing more than outdated experiences and theories, and let the results speak for themselves.
I have had high ranking commanders of these US Spec Op units apologize to me in person for their unit’s “We know everything” attitudes once they were presented with the results of these scenarios. And, furthermore, there have been numerous US SpecOp units that have incorporated our methodologies and tactics into their current SOPs.
Second: I still spend the majority of my time training Mil and LE Spec Op units around the world in our methodologies. These internet warriors that are making their ridiculous, immature, experience lacking comments, are individuals I encounter regularly. I don’t have one single course I have ever taught, where I did not have the pleasure of putting them in their place with a small dose of reality.
I get it all the time….beginning of the course, they stand there staring at me, chest puffed out, arms crossed, eyes rolling. They leave at the end of the day like wet puppies.
And still, I have had numerous of these units who have adopted our methodologies into their SOPs. We (Israel) have never adopted anyone’s methodologies or tactics till this very day.
Very little of this type of training is to be found unfortunately.
2) Real/Legitimate training which is not good.
There are a lot of Israeli instructors on the open market who are great Warriors, but simply not great instructors. Additionally, there is less than a handful of us (literally) that were both Operational Warriors in Special Units as well as qualified instructors in our service (I am one of them).
A lot of the Israeli training offered on the open market today, is by legitimate instructors who have taken the little they were trained in while in the service, combined it with other sources of training they have learned from, and in the end present a package where not all the pieces fit together cohesively. A lot of the material that is taught on the open market today is also based on much much older methodologies and concepts, which do have sound principles, but are not translated in to practical/tactical applications as effectively as our methodologies today.
This video, and I really don’t want to seem like I am speaking negatively about the instructor, he is a great person and very competent, presents our principles in a platform that is not completely accurate or modern.
As an example, that is not the correct presentation of our stance. Another one, the chambering of the weapon does not happen anywhere near the face or with the elbows propped up that way. From the mid eighties until the mid nineties the sidearm we used was the browning high power which had a very stiff recoil springs, couple that with an army of 18 year old conscripts, the chambering technique had to give enough structural strength for these ‘kids’ to be able to chamber the weapon. So back then the weapon would be brought up between the head and shoulder of the weapon side, this method provided more structural strength to help in the chambering process.
As for the rhetoric being slung around here about the practicality of carrying the weapon chambered vs unchambered and how that one little element dictates the “effectiveness” of our methodology…..again, just a clear display of utter lack of intellect and ability to first ensure facts. The individuals posting on this ‘discussion’ are not warriors by any stretch of the imagination (even though it appears some of them dress up like warriors for work) and they most certainly are not professionals.
The definition of a professional is someone who possesses unbiased expertise on a subject. A true professional can take a subject and be able to perfectly teach both sides of that subject, the side they believe in and the one they oppose. That is how you can be certain that what they say is credible, because they can contrast the believed functionality of both sides and be left with factual remaining inconsistencies which can be weighed against reality.
A true professional will also always ask ‘why’ before concluding. A person who lacks intellect and professionalism will always fight to bend the world around their belief, because the notion that what they have invested their entire efforts into is wrong, is too unbearable. Not only is that outright stupid, but it is also not being human.
The individuals posting here, have been exposed to A) either a false representation of our methodology or B) watched a few YouTube clips with isolated elements of our methodology and based on either one of those draw their conclusions.
We (Israelis) are not the only ones who carry unchambered weapons. There are entities in the US as well as Canada who carry unchambered. We (Israelis) are the only ones smart enough to develop the most efficient methods of deploying from less preferred circumstances. And to clarify, in contrast to the primitive minded opinionaters of this forum, an overwhelming amount of our units/branches in Israel, DO carry chambered rounds. For the ones that don’t, we have our reasons why.
3) Fake Israeli training.
Unfortunately, we have a lot of this on the open market today as well. Training marketed as our real methodologies and taught by people who make false claims about having served in our SF and who teach nonsense they have created or pieced together from multiple sources.
In any event, the majority of the people who have any comment to make, get exposed to one of the 3 categories I listed above, and, make conclusive decisions and judgments based on that single limited exposure.
A very unintelligent way to travel through life. Especially, when they are speaking about a country that is one of the tiniest in the world, that has more enemies than any other country in the world, who’s enemies live their life with the sole purpose of nothing more than making our country extinct, and against all that, we have not only survived, but we continue to thrive.
While these internet warriors come from countries who never have and never will face the threats we do, and who have a military as a luxury, not a necessity. Furthermore, I can assure you that the majority of these people making these comments are not warriors of any kind. They learned some things related to their hobby of shooting, fighting, etc, and suddenly they are the intellectual experts on the subject. Not to mention, especially after 9/11, the entire world has been after learning our/the Israeli methodologies, and so for those who sell training and who do not teach our methodologies, our existence on the open market is not very palatable to them.
Back to the video in question. There are principles presented that do originate from our factual methodology, but they are not necessarily presented in our current/modern approach or platform.
Let me very briefly summarize the true difference between American (I use the term American because the entire world is trained by them and does what they do….and by the way, I love the US and Americans, so please don’t think that I am harping on America!) and Israeli methodologies.
Americans shoots. Israelis fight.
American methodologies are based on and revolve around shooting principles. Israeli methodologies revolve around dynamic fighting implementing the firearm/’shooting’ as nothing more than what it is….a tool to be used in the moment in time where it is the most effective tool for that moment in time.
Anyone that has an ounce of brain, and responsibility if they are instructors, will first ensure and then double check they have the facts before reaching conclusions.
Feel free to post my above assessment of this situation, and if you do, then make sure to attach my name to it. I’m not an internet warrior who hides behind an on-line personality for the sake of giving a perception that I am a somebody.
Anyone with an opinion is more than welcome to attend any of my courses so they can ‘validate’ their opinions. In fact, have any one of these internet heroes on this forum simply reference that they posted on this ‘discussion’ to me, and they can attend any one of my courses for free. The opportunity to help make people smarter, is priceless to me.
Stay safe.
Nir Maman
CT707 Israeli Krav Systems
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LOL ok then. Thoughts? Are your jimmies rustled after reading his essay?
Anyone taking him up on the free training offer?
Comments
58 responses to “An Essay On Internet Operators Armchair Judging Israeli Training”
“I appreciate you reaching out for my comments on this ‘discussion’, but I don’t know if I will bother to get involved….”
If this is him NOT getting involved…
didn’t read lol
Too fuckin long. Nir is the Nutnfancy of butthurt.
(Wipes away chocolate milk that spurted out nose from laughter)Bingo!
Awesome! ENDO-Mike is the P.O.U. of butthurt. That’s like the 3rd kind of ‘cool’ or something.
Hot Damn! Win!
Got half way through the “l337 shpeshul fourshes” resume before I vomited.
Welcome to da internetz.
I require evidence attributing the included quote to Mark Twain.
This needs to be added to a derp collection and made into a nice poster for the ENDO shop.
Can we get an ENDO apparel shirt touting Israeli Fighting Method?
I would wear that. But only if it has a cut-out for my butterfly back tat.
Noted! Lol
Hahah Yea that would be amazing, I’ll see if I can think something up.
“A true professional will also always ask ‘why’ before concluding”
I don’t need to ask why you don’t shoot from cover. I can pretty much deduce you are either Superman or Stupid…the second one being the more likely answer.
“There are entities in the US as well as Canada who carry unchambered.”
Yes they are sooper sekeit tactical OpSpeck Ninja units from Mall in heartland America.
“an overwhelming amount of our units/branches in Israel, DO carry chambered rounds. For the ones that don’t, we have our reasons why.”
but since I am making this shit up, I am not telling you what Israeli units carry which ones don’t and why don’t
” Israeli methodologies revolve around dynamic fighting implementing the firearm/’shooting’ ”
From the video I saw I could have sworn you were training for Dancing with the Stars.
” Israeli methodologies revolve around dynamic fighting implementing the firearm/’shooting’ ”
From the video I saw I could have sworn you were training for Dancing with the Stars.
^^^Now that is a quote worth having on an ENDO shirt or poster. ^^^^
I ran into an academy instructor from the Philly PD who said a Glock was too dangerous to carry with one in the pipe. I asked if he was carrying, and quickly went to another room when he said yes.
I’d love to get free training, as I’m sure I’d learn something, but not if he’s going to point a gun at me during it…
His entire essay comes off as “Israeli operator is best operator. You just don’t understand how hard it is being the best”. I work with former ISF and they are scary MFers. They wouldn’t be caught dead talking this way.
Americans shoot, Israelis fight…. (with America’s money.) BTW, you are welcome. Not to start an internet holy war, but honestly, has Israel REALLY been fighting terrorists for 70 years?? My guess is you would get a few different answers depending on who you asked ;)
I’m laughing at all these new posts about people getting their panties in a bunch. If you feel the need to justify yourself to the internet: doing it wrong. Do what you do, if it works for you be happy and move on.
It’s so strange that IDF teaches our apparently dumbass military all their techniques, but our military chooses not to adopt the shit taking stance, knee to reload nice and stationary, elbows out laterally, and uhhh, any of the other weird Israeli techniques. Soo, maybe they adopted tactics? I wonder if our guys over there training get back and are like “geez… We had to buy the beers EVERY single night after training….”
“We (Israel) have never adopted anyone’s methodologies or tactics till this very day.”
Just because something has worked, doesn’t mean that it isn’t the best solution. Particularly when they setup the scenario and know how things are going to react.
Why don’t you go to a neutral shoot house, where neither of your know the layout. And see how things turn out, I highly doubt that it is going to be as great as you claim.
While I don’t agree with either of these quotes I still feel that they work against each other a bit…
“We (Israel) have never adopted anyone’s methodologies or tactics till this very day.”
Perhaps THAT is part of the reason why you claim this…
“we (Israel) have been fighting it, to survive (not as a luxury like the US and the rest of the world) for the last 70 years.”
Sounds to me like if YOU GUYS (Israel) might want to start adopting and implementing others methodologies for a change. But that’s just my 2 cents.
The entire paragraph about “what the definition of a professional is” is breathtakingly ironic.
“This video, and I really don’t want to seem like I am speaking negatively about the instructor, he is a great person and very competent, presents our principles in a platform that is not completely accurate or modern.”
If you have that to say about the guy representing you and your training company in a video maybe you ought to not be so defensive about the heat you’re taking and instead MAYBE think about the quality of the people you let represent you and your company cause if you you let b rate guys represent you on video you will be taken as a b rate company.
“i be like Blah Blah Blah Blah” (rich homie quan)
Haha Yea exactly
“Americans shoots. Israelis fight.”
Quantity has a quality all its own.
I guess that’s why they fire missiles like fuck at a small troublesome holdout that’s next door… When were they in there “fighting” the terror threat? Were they fuck, they were launching missiles like hella.
I don’t understand a thing you just said, but…hell yeah.
As someone whose been to isreal it’s alot different from what people imagine it to be, but one of the most striking things from a firearms perspective is their rights IE they have them, in spades.
It’s common to see automatic weapons, everywhere. Even in coffee shops, with what appear to be civilians and military alike on the streets, no one freaking out. It’s true that they have lived by necessity under constant threat and I have no doubt they have developed their techniques that way.
Obviously our military feels that there training is superior in some regard or we would not send our people to train there, build facilities there and supply them with grants to develop our weapons systems there as well.
Anyone who doubt them should study the effectiveness of there iron dome vs our patriot missile system, before they adopted and improved it.
They don’t have a lot of gun rights. They have to apply for licenses and can only carry weapons if they have a “valid” reason (guard/millitary duty). Those people you saw with automatics were probably from them millitary.
Read up a bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Israel
“Obviously our military feels that there training is superior in some regard or we would not send our people to train there
I think “superior” is the wrong word choice, here. The US Military routinely does joint training with many international partners and allies. This is to not only expose the US mil to different techniques, procedures, and equipment, but to help foster relations with the host nations. Further, in the event that the US military would need to operate jointly with that nation, we would have a better understanding thus leading to better coordination in such events. I highly doubt that the guys training with the Israelis came back and said “guys, we’ve been doing it all wrong this whole time.”
You’re correct about joint training.
I’ll also make a point of a personal observation, the IDF has only had to be better then the people they are fighting at the time. This was pretty easy back in the 70’s and 80’s, however, recent history has shown, that as Hamas and the like, have improved their skills, the IDF has needed to step up their game, and still struggles too; all civilized militaries struggle with this.
Trying to pass off the BS, that the IDF has never taken skills from other training systems, is typical of someone that has a small dick.
You couldn’t be more wrong. http://www.thebangswitch.com/visiting-an-israeli-gun-shop/
Link doesn’t work, and I have seen the law. Average civilians can’t carry in Israel legally.
Hate to reply to myself but here is more evidence:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/israel
“Anyone who doubt them should study the effectiveness of there iron dome vs our patriot missile system, before they adopted and improved it.”
Apples and 40-year-old oranges, here. Iron Dome is a comparatively new point-defense system designed to knock down shitty homebuilt unguided rockets and mortar shells. MIM-104 Patriot is a theater-level anti-aircraft system initially developed in the 70’s to engage combat aircraft from beyond visual range. Neither are optimized for ABM use. But whereas the Patriot has actually shot down (at least a few) ballistic missiles, Iron Dome has only had to contend with closer-ranged subsonic threats – and that with the benefit of several decades of technological advances.
Go troll stormfront or something with your Israel-firsting.
Great, so this is a supposed ISF instructor/operator that freely admits that the trainer depicted in the video has little qualification to teach the principles of Israeli shooting styles. He may be a practitioner, but lacks the skill to pass on his practical knowledge, making him little better than the third group.
Ah yes the old adage of “our SOF is better than your SOF”, complete with generalities, vague statements and the obvious “Spec Ops” comment. Can’t say too many SF dudes go to Israel to learn how to shoot or play “terrorists & good guys” when we have our own facilities, I CAN say it does work the other way around, also consider the statement “We (Israel) have never adopted anyone’s methodologies or tactics till this very day.”…. really? So flying in an echelon, or air tactics was completely made up by Israel when WE provided you with Apaches?
That sure sounds like North Korea when you say it like that.
Are these the same Israeli forces, that when confronted with the SA-3 in the Yom Kippur war came running and screaming to the U.S. for more F-4Es and ECM pods? Seems liked they adopted a tactic there.
And don’t most of the IDF guys use the M-4 platform, now?
Oh, and before either of my deployments, we never went to Israel. Just saying.
To be fair, IDF uses lots of F-16s nowadays.
“The scariest notion is seeing individuals with such a lack of intellect, professionalism, and most importantly, maturity, and know that they represent our community….and handle firearms.”
I think most of us agree with this statement. I’m not entirely sure that he gets that we agree and put people who ignore basic firearms safety in that group.
Also the “only Israel has ever really fought terrorists” thing true. As just one example the British fought terrorism in Ireland (IRA and predecessors), Egypt (Muslim Brotherhood), and the Mandate of Palestine (Arab and Zionist groups, including Irgun and Lehi, two groups incorporated into the IDF after independence) all before Israel was a state.
Yo! I take umbrage at your butt hurt.
I never claimed to be professional, but I do operate. Matter of fact i was operating with my bros at my local sportsmen’s club this past weekend. After careful review of the Kosher Costs vidja footage on my iPhone 6 (haters gonna hate) we have incorporated the inadvertent mag drop from knee position into our operating. I use it as our opening combat move in order to get inside our enemies’ OODA loop.
Those sorry turds don’t know whether to shit or cut bait when my whole team begins operating on our operation like that. Then when we bust out the synchronized chicken wing, hemorrhoid press check stance, en masse, well let’s just say graves registration better bring a shit load of body bags with ’em to clean up what’s left of the enemy. Like in that movie Kelly’s Heroes, except we don’t have a Tiger tank or paint rounds, yet.
From there it’s Miller Time! (that’s a type of beer for you non-operators)
That is all. Carry on.
Yo…Is shit load one word or two? Need to check my ops manual. (That’s short for operations.)
ButthurtOperations was kind enough to notify me that I was apparently “getting destroyed” on this new post.
So, I couldn’t resist. I was hoping to at least find some intellect that was leading this new ‘discussion’ in a direction of maturity, wisdom, and facts. Once again, I’m disappointed.
Just to quickly correct Mr. ButthurtOperations: There is nothing on this new discussion that suggests I’m getting destroyed.
All we have here is a depiction of reality. A group of individuals who mentally still have not graduated high school, that were siting in their quiet corner, compensating or their impotent lives buy feeding themselves on rhetoric, when all of a sudden, someone steps into their corner, dishes them a dose of reality which in contrast, only shows that they are living in a fictional world. So what do they do? They quickly run off to a new corner where they again are alone and can rebuild their fort of fictional reality to keep feeling good about themselves.
Let me give you upstanding gentlemen a psychological metaphor of this situation. When you role a pebble of excrement down a mountain of excrement, that pebble will simply keep picking up nothing but excrement, and when it reaches the bottom of the mountain, yes it will be one huge boulder of an object, but it will still be nothing more than a large boulder of excrement.
One by one you all come into the ‘discussion’ and all you do is throw around more rhetoric, jokes (albeit some of you do have a funny sense of humor, I will say that), and out right immature deprecation. No facts, knowledge, or experience of any kind to substantiate anything you people spend your precious hours debating. But, the more noise that is made by any of you, the more the rest of you get a perception that you are all making a valid argument of sorts, and that you are right. So sad to see.
Me being ‘destroyed’ on here would be if you people had actual facts to back up your banter that contradicts or negates what I say. This entire commentary is no more than the example of two lawyers in court, one who presents a solid case, and the other (you guys) who has no factual substance to counter the first lawyer’s case, so he has to resort to making fun of the suit the first lawyer is wearing in a feeble attempt to make some sort of argument.
In any event, I’m not going to ruin your fun party of fictional intellect. One of you, I believe ‘Endo Mike’ who demonstrated he was capable of counting by listing the number of words my initial ‘essay’ contained (I really hope he was able to actually count without the utilization of the Microsoft word counting tool! That would at least demonstrate he has some functional skills in life), was correct that I did spend much more time on this issue than I ever cared to.
There really isn’t much to debate on this blog. I say it as respectfully as I can, there is no representation of professionalism, maturity, or intellect among you stellar pillars of society. No one on here even has the balls to stand behind their true identities.
I made an offer in my initial post, any one of you who believes they are more than just keyboard warriors, and who wishes to come ‘debate’ or share opinions with me, is more than welcome to. Get in touch, tell me who you are on this blog, and you can attend any one of my courses for free, I will even cover your ammo.
I have to get back to life now, I will let you band of worldly intellectuals get back to your menial outlet of feeling like something your parents should be proud of.
I wish you all the best.
What you mean hide behind screen names? Gwolf is my gangsta / operator / pro wrestling nom de guerre. I’m banned by the Geneva Conventions from operating my operations on three (that’s 3 for non-operator types) continents on account of it’s cruel and inhumane for me to operate operations with my operators in the way I do. Which is full brutal. Not half brutal. Full brutal. Off safe and guns set to “Fuck It!”
Yo look us up on Call of Duty. Clan name: WeedWarriors034
Gwolf (Lawrence) over and out!
Nir,
I agree the discussion is not at all mature but I think everybody is curious as to why anyone would carry without one in the chamber.
The room is spinning cause of all the derp
Nir,
Your you’re not SOE, so pissing people off is not going to drive more business to you, you’re just sounding like a lib-tard here.
^Derp
Frikkin Toronto? I can’t believe I couldn’t find his location from his website, had to hunt down his trademark info. Sorry, ITAR restrictions prevent me from leaving the country absent high level State Department approval.
Sounds to me someone needs some internetz vagisil and a vacuum for all the sand.
There nothing to debate, your operating skills are DERP, 2/10 would not operate with
This kat is a chaunce.
I’ll bite…
Nir, the tactics being taught either by your instructor or you are completely irresponsible, negligent, or inefficient. Or all three. First off, you break one of Col Coopers basic four rules for no reason whatsoever, as the practice of presenting your weapon can easily be done without pointing firearms at each other. Even stressors can be inrtoduced in a safer manner by utilizing timers or the old fashion 21 foot rule. Then there is the question of body mechanics. Your courses seem to focus on teaching the only way to move, sit, stand, shoot, etc. this is failure. Everyone is made different. I would not dare teach a six and a half foot student the same movement mechanics as a five and a half foot student. Their bodies move quite differently. There are some things that must be standardized but these relate mainly to acquiring sight picture, etc. I literally laughed out loud at the student stopping from a dead run like he was in a cartoon with Wiley E Coyote. I think I heard sound effects like car brakes but I think it was just in my mind. I have never understood either teaching staying still in a fight or going to the knee to reload. You never stand still in a fight unless you are shooting. Shoot, move, shoot, move. All. The. Time. Going to a knee seriously reduces your ability to move. There are some times that modifying ones stance to go to a knee or go to ground is useful but it is a trade off because is comes with serious disadvantages, one being a reduced ability to get off the X quickly. Indexing of the firearm as near to the center of your chest is the best way to allow for weapon retention, a short movement to reacquire your sight picture, and the ability to safely fire the weapon without moving it if the need arises. I hope I have satisfied your need for a “mature” refuting of your teaching methods.
Now that we are done with that…
I think your teaching methods will get people killed. I don’t think your fantasy based generalizations regarding the difference between the Israeli and American warrior is welcome here, and your many examples of American soldiers being “awed like a wet puppy” are not truthful. I feel you are a charlatan, a liar, and dangerous. I think that carrying a modern firearm with an empty chamber instead of in its designed fashion is stupid, and of a bygone era that since has passed. In essence, I call shenanigans. I think that not understanding the dynamic nature of combat and teaching “The Only Way” is indicative of someone who knows just enough to fleece people out of money for “so called” training. I think you got here what you earned…a bunch of professionals calling you out for poor training methods. Suck it up, and move on.
Eric Lawrence, USAF (ret), SOWT, STS
I like this Sheepdog6 guy.
USAF Special Tactics…….Hooah!!!
Ace, USAF (ret), SF, EST