Aw Kyle you went and did it:
Man… why can’t people just be like “whatever works for you… it’s your right as an American if you want to open or conceal carry”. It’s almost like past East coast v.s. West coast beef, but instead open carry v.s. concealed carry. I just hope we don’t lose some 2Pacs and Biggie’s over some nonsense.
0:17 – We learn Kyle profiles the hell out of people. So what the kid is dressed like that? I sometimes wear blue dunks with a blue t-shirt, does that make me a crip Kyle?
0:46 – Man, screw establishments that don’t want to abide by whatever the law of that state is. I can see if the person carrying is actually doing something to raise eyebrows… but if he or she is just exercising their right, then that’s just wrong to give them a rough time. Educate your “uncomfortable” customers maybe in a nice way?
0:53 – SHOTS FIRED. Kyle says get the hell out of the USA if you want to open carry. So many dick riders in that audience nodding and chuckling. I would have laughed so hard if someone stood up and said to him – “Yea Kyle you served, and you’re a badass and all but if you have a problem with open carry why don’t you leave rather than treading on people’s rights?”
*shrug* Yea sure I agree there are definite advantages to concealed carry.
People in the YouTube comments (if you click through) are NOT impressed either. There are definitely some good “SAY THAT TO KYLE’S FACE” type comments haha. I’m beginning to think a lot of this type of thing which has been popping up recently is just a publicity stunt. If you have an extreme controversial view one way or the other and make a video about it, people are going to be pissed off and spread it around.
Thoughts?
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47 responses to “Certified Badass Kyle Lamb Shits On Open Carry”
But you are a crip, rep yo set homie!
Haha
Just because you might have done a few good things doesn’t make you a good person
Part of me is leery of guys who try to stay relevant by being firearms trainers.
I had a friend before he died. He was a LRRP in Vietnam. A tough cookie. After the war, he left it all behind. He bought an SP1, a 1911, a few revolvers, a hunting shotgun and a “Killin’ shotgun”. Called it good. Never cared about anything. Would always say “man, I just wanna be left alone”. Quiet. Stayed to himself. But always had a gun on him.
And then along comes Kyle Lamb to fart out his mouth about open carry.
If someone is going to open carry a gun, chances are they aren’t looking to start anything.
Because Lamar and Tyrone waited for their mother-may-I cards and passed they background checks an’ sheeyit before they started concealed carrying, obviously.
Some people are just narcissists. The people who are narcissists /and/ charismatic end up with rooms of nodding dick riders like this guy.
… and then along comes “Disco” to diarrhea out his mouth with his semi-bigoted troll comments about someone he doesn’t even know. Kyle Lamb does what he does, and says what he does b/c he needs attention?… riiiight.
Actually yes.
I’ve met Lamb several times.
He was a stud in the day but his day has come and gone. It happens.
Most people bow out or take the Robert Smith approach. Robert Smith? Yes, from the Cure.
He doesn’t get political. Accentuates the positive highlights of his career and moves on.
All Lamb did was give antigun people a voice because he likes to “profile”.
So…like John McCain, I congratulate him on the good he did at one time in the past but he can totally cram it in 2015
I’m not gonna crap on someone for doing it but in general think it draws attention I don’t want, and is like putting all your cards on the table when you don’t have too.
The problem with open carry is that certain members of the public are asshats about it and try to trollbait the police/get themselves shot. I’m all for individual rights and freedoms and whatnot but around here, we have morons who wander around public parks with AK pistols and hang around shopping centers with ARs. It scares the shit out of people and is generally a shitty thing to do. These guys think that they are gun rights crusaders but in reality they are mentally ill attention whores. All it does is reinforce negative stereotypes of gun owners.
I support the concept of open carrying and more power to those that go out and do it for whatever reason they choose so be it legal; however I’ll probably never do it and if I see someone else doing it and their appearance rubs me the wrong way I’m likely to leave that area.
Amen brother.
Seeing people carrying rifles in quite common in Switzerland though. But they have national conscription, so everybody is familiar with rifles.
just keep chipping away
There would be no problems if that guy walked into a Dairy Queen while Lamb was there. Open carrying of rifles is really not for self-defense. It IS to prove a point. Last I checked, there weren’t any statues of Benedict Arnold erected across this great country.
Yes there are are:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_Monument
It certainly isn’t one of him riding on a horse.
I think Lamb is thinking about the tactical implications and being effective as a gun carrier – kind of his job. Personally, I respect open carry and I see the point (which is really to acclimatize non-gun people and help them “get it”). But kind of like Kyle Lamb in his comment, in my opinion it is a lot different when the open carry guy walks in with his AK47. Really? We think and talk a lot about active shooters and it’s an excellent reason to carry a concealed handgun. What the hell are we supposed to make of that guy walking into DQ with the AK? Counting on other people to read your mind and know that you are an upstanding American trying to make a point about the Second Amendment can be a dangerous game. Yes – if the guy is not displaying intent then he’s not a threat, but still.
The only real ‘ good” thing about open carry is if you’re concealed carrying and a gust of wind comes up and moves your shirt or coat they can’t nail you for flashing your piece.
I will also say that were I ever to open carry it would be with a duty belt and a police security holster, probably a level 3 rig.
People who shit on rights are wrong, end of story. Sure, some people exercise those rights stupidly, but that is the point to rights; they protect the unpopular and stupid. Rights protect the minority from the majority.
The other issue is so many people only think of rights in the context of what is normal. Outlaw the right to OC a rifle, cause it is not normally needed? Sure, until you get a Ferguson or Baltimore. Right now I would OC the hell out of a rifle if I lived in those places. Nothing says “leave me the hell alone” like a big black rifle slung across the chest. Sure a pocket pistol in deep concealment is more socially acceptable, but when facing a mob of 100s of rabid youth I would prefer to have 30+ rifle rounds than 6+1 pistol rounds on tap. The rifle is just a better tool for the job at hand, and serves as a very visible deterrent as well. People forget that the laws are not just for the good times, but the bad as well. And people like Kyle are how we lose our rights to protect ourselves when civil society is in the process of breaking down.
Another thing that bugs me is that people totally ignore the arguments *for* OC. If you OC a pistol you are a visible deterrent. Yes, safe OC of a pistol requires you to maintain a higher level of situational awareness, but that is an education issue, just like holster selection is an education issue for CC. OC is also significantly faster on the draw, should the need arise. In many cases you can comfortably carry a larger gun OC than CC, meaning you can carry larger caliber, more capacity or both. Many OC rigs are also easier to remove when needed, meaning you can more easily carry when you plan on running errands that might include places that prohibit carry (such as a post office).
I carry both OC and CC, and change my carry based on the situation. Why is it that so many people who should know better want to take my right to do that away, just because they do not “see a need to do that”?
Give this man a standing ovation.
It seems like there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the point he was trying to make. He’s not going after those who open carry as a means of daily self defense; in many states it is the only viable option. He’s going after those who open carry to make a political statement. Whether we like it or not, the fight we are trying to win is a legislative and judicial one, and that’s where all of our victories are occurring. Where are our losses? In the strip malls of frightened middle America who don’t have the education to understand why a guy open carrying an AK is actually making them safer (given that said guy has proper training and isn’t a complete dumbass). It is OUR failure of education and effective debunking of anti gun propaganda.
Nobody is shitting on rights. Don’t be reactionary and foolish. With rights there comes a responsibility to dispense them maturely. Is it your right to open carry a long gun? Yes. Is it effectively conveying the point you are trying to make? No. It has in fact damaged our cause. Every time there is a picture on cable news with 8 fat asses in Infidel t-shirts that get all of their firearms knowledge from You Tube raiding a Tastee Freez, we are diminished, we look stupid, and we lose ground. Stop undoing the work of the people who are making real progress in the courts and legislature. Join and donate to the FPC, SAF, and NRA-ILA.
And when he said leave the country, he wasn’t saying go LIVE in another country. He said you may have to wear a flag and a uniform. Use your listening ears…
^This.
What happened to, “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should…”? Technically, one could douse themselves in pigs blood and then choose to stroll through Walmart. Are they in violation of any laws, or at least guilty of anything more than someone open carrying to prove a point? No. But would a reasonable individual be able to predict such behavior would cause undue alarm and almost certainly result in several calls to local LEO’s? If we are being honest, then the answer should be yes. So, why troll the cops like that, (particularly since there is a chance you could be shot for it)? And don’t pull that bullshit about you are standing up for my rights, because your are not.
I like saying there’s a difference between open carry and political carry. If you open carry, it’s because that’s how you choose to carry your defensive weapon(s). If you political carry, then you’re carrying to make a statement.
Unfortunately, statements are hard to get across when you’re in groups of 3 or less and not carrying around any signs or handing out any fliers.
my take on it is this. if you are open carrying because where you are going or what you are doing there may be a threat to your safety then ok . but if your doing it to walk down main st. with a rifle so people beep at you and you can take video of cops doing their job responding, than you are an ass hat! if the only legal way for you to carry is in the open then i agree . do it . but if you have concealed carry as an option and you are open carrying then you are an asshat
If you look at the first 100 years of history in the parts of our country that had some semblance of law, there were dozens of state and local laws against concealed carry up until the civil war due to the perception that only vicious assassins would do such a thing. All that at a time when every member of the “unorganized militia” (coined as such later) was required to own a piece!! So traditionally open carry has been central to the founders interpretation of the second amendment. It wasn’t until reconstruction and the subsequent racial tension of the 60s that the reasons for gun ownership (and in turn, manner of carry) changed.
For him to freak out about it like that is narrow minded and only considers the modern implication and viewpoint of an uneducated, outside observer. There’s a much greater context for open carry that needs to be understood.
That said, I vastly prefer concealed carry. I would rather share my view on gun ownership in the more controlled environment of my house or a range where I pull out the arsenal and watch my ambivalent/anti-gun friends’ jaws drop. They know I’m a level headed guy and then have that association with guns rather than some random clown walking around the grocery store.
Mike,
I think you nailed the clickbaity way the online gun culture is becoming. Seems like James Yeager was a bit of a pioneer in that regard. I suppose a statue of pure marble shall be erected in his honor someday and placed downrange of every gun range in America. Where only Glocks 19’s (the national gun) will be allowed to shoot.
Respect
I would say certain vendors and prominent posters on arfcom started that marketing strategy. Create controversy, galvanize followers, etc. But yeah, I think you are right when it comes to youtube.
my issue with open carry is that i would prefer asshats did not know i was armed. i do not think it has a deterrent effect, and want someone will ill intentions to get an unpleasant surprise if they wish to act on their nefarious inclinations.
Shit, I just like the idea of OC so I can rock a full size pistol in a comfy OWB holster under an open-front button-down. 90% of the time it’s concealed, but it’s quick on the draw and you get to carry a Big Damn Gun instead of having to find a place to hide a little subcompact.
Sure it is foolish and stupid for people to open carry simply as provocateurs, not being mature and prepared to calmly explain the reasons and be good ambassadors of the gun community. But I find it FAR more foolish and yes, hypocritical, when people say “just because you can doesn’t mean you should” about open carry. I live in California where technically we had open carry and then people started doing it more and “causing a scene” and then we lost it. What did we lose? A right that was SO under-utilized that most people didn’t even realize it was legal? What good is a right if it can NEVER be exercised? It was an illusion to begin with. We lost nothing in California.
The Open-Carrier crowd here did paint a target on their own backs by sticking out like a sore thumb, and the gun community fractured where half defended their rights and the other half was all too happy to pile on and attack them along with the anti-gunners. It is disgusting to me. It’s just like the outdoorsman faction who says “you don’t need 30 round clips[sic] for hunting” who don’t want to fight the libs when they attack scary black rifles… only want to defend the RKBA when it’s convenient for them, when they attack the hunting type guns they are used to. These concealed carry only advocates…they dont want to stir the pot because they’re afraid they could lose their CC rights…so they are all to happy to give up Open carry…please big protectionist government…please take half my rights, here please take away my standard capacity magazines, take my open carry…as long as you just please let me keep my precious CCW.
Lamb is carrying the banner of that same mentality. We know we do it because we figure out ways to rationalize it…”oh they’re making people uncomfortable”, “they’re hurting the cause more than helping it” these are all rationalizations…they are excuses. “We’re not retreating, we’re just advancing the other way.”
You might need to brush up on your understanding of the term “hypocritical”, because nothing I said was hypocritical in the least.
For the record, I’m not 100% condemning OC proponents. I’m asking everyone, on both sides, to understand that context matters– truck with a a loaded gun rack in a small town in Wyoming, not worth a second glance, but same truck with same gun rack driving through Times Square, regardless of the intentions of the driver, yeah you should expect to be pulled over. We can get bogged down in arguments over whether this is fair, or not, but those are really academic arguments. The reality of the situation is the guy driving through Times Square should have known that was an action that would have called unwanted attention to himself.
Realize that you, as a hopefully responsible gun owner, do not live in a vacuum. And as such you should know that showing up in suburbia with a long gun on your back has at least a high probability of provoking an armed response by the local LEO’s. So tell me, when that happens, how exactly is it that you are making a, at best, skittish demographic more comfortable with guns and OC? Surely provoking an armed response that culminates with more weapons drawn, and hot tempers to boot, does nothing to further your cause.
And for the record, I could give 2 shits about how big of a magazine you want to roll with– rock what you are comfortable with. IMHO the whole argument is a red herring– the real target of the anti-gunners being how many shots one can squeeze off in some arbitrary time, like 1 minute. And as usual, they are hilariously uninformed here, so like a lemming to a cliff, they have stampeded to the magazine size issue.
Further, based solely off the contents of your post, you, and others of your ilk, are the ones being divisive. This whole, “march in lock step with us or you are one them” attitude is bs– and a whole mess of other labels come to mind here as well, but having this degenerate into a mud slinging contest advances nothing. Just leave some room for others atop your “white tower”.
we have to send this idiot to syria or somalia where everybody have their own private army, see how he does
(I’m surprised nobody mentioned this joke yet)
haha. That amount of goat screwery that occurred on the “coalitions” website still makes me laugh.
I wouldn’t recommend open carry for a simple reason: It draws attention to you. All the criminals I know wouldn’t mind sneaking up on someone and take their gun. Before you come with some Western “I will just shoot them then” bullshit, no, you wont because they sneak up on you and put a gun to the back of your head and take your gun.
Generally, he is correct, open carry draws attention, often unwanted attention. The only people carrying rifles open are making a point about the inability to carry a sidearm in those states.
That being said, OWB is more comfortable than IWB, and the way the laws are written in many states, if ANYONE sees a hint of a firearm even in summer you are classified as open carrying.
Open carry has prevented someone coming after me. If it were concealed i would have had to draw on him and could have ended a lot different.
Sure i know gun grabs happen. Yes ive said no matter how aware you are you cant prevent everything. But if the thought is ‘open carry makes you a target’, i would think there would be more then a handful of cases. I would say theres more cases where someone was targeted because they were percieved to not have a gun. Kind of like how shooters like to pick places likely not to have any guns like schools, movie theaters, ect. Where i work not a week goes by i dont see at least one open carry and so far no one has had a negative story of them open carrying. I know that doesnt mean it never happens, but its sure not as often as people say.
Speaking of open carry – we talking pistol or long guns? Cause i think that further gaps the divide of opinions. And lolinski… why are you knowing all these criminals? Have any news stories where that has happened?
I know them because I am a social and extroverted person (or at least I try to be). + if you are friendly with them then they most likely won’t go after you. Had that happen once, some guys were looking to start trouble with me when one recognized me and did a 180 in regards to behaviour.
But I guess that being vigilant might prevent someone stealing your gun as well, though I prefer hiding it.
Also, I was thinking pistols.
There are a couple other things too
When you are demonstrating by open carrying your scary rifle or shotgun, the camo clothing, LCE, plate carriers, and pro masks doesn’t help either. Nobody wants to see your condor multicam, dicked up battlebelt or plate carrier, or any other piece of gear that is probably unservicable for its intended purpose anyway. Now, colonial-era clothing? go right on ahead.
And for fuck’s sake, wear a proper two point sling over your back rather than your POS single point that has no business on a fighting rifle anyways, let alone anybody that doesn’t want to draw unnecessary attention because they need to control their rifle with their hands. No, no potential for anything to go wrong there. No siree 0.o (*sarc)
Sometimes those in the gun community piss me off the most.
If you open carry, you’re an idiot. And someone who has no weapons skills whatsoever, or you wouldn’t even consider it.
When the subject of open carry comes up I just can’t get that pic of the two Texas guys in Chipotle. Guys like those are the gun communities version of the assless chap wearing, flamboyant gay guys kissing each other in the gay pride parade to the LGBT communities. Sure they are just exercising their rights and getting the public to be used to it. Just embarrassing attention seekers.
This, all this everyday. Attention whores.
He doesn’t say at the :53 mark to get out of the US… he simply said if you want to open carry then join the military and go overseas and fight. Pay attention to what he said instead of giving an emotional knee jerk reaction like some liberal.
He’s saying don’t do it in the US. It doesn’t matter if he’s saying do it for the military or not. “like some liberal” haha
Based off of what I know (limited, of course) I would say most open carriers are doing it for a reaction, there is no advantage to open carrying vs. concealed carrying… Lamb isn’t saying don’t carry… he’s simply saying don’t open carry. I’m all for people exercising their second amendment right but I’m also a big proponent of keeping yourself safe. I’d rather people not know I’m armed versus me wearing a giant flag thats screams “shoot me first.” I’d rather get the drop on the mother fucker than me being ambushed… but to each their own.
Sorry for calling you a liberal… that was really liberal of me to go that far
Why cant i fight on my own turf? isnt that the embodiment of the 2nd? I felt that as an attack to push me out of the country for standing up for the rights given to me in that country. Kind of sad when those who are fighting for our freedoms are fighting for us to lose them…
Well I will be sure to refrain from helping this person calling himself a man, if I ever see I’m in need of helping hand with a gun, just because I’m wearing a certain type of clothing a certain color I’m a bad person what the fuck happened to tolerance what the fuck happened to be yourself. This stupid fuck pretty much is just a douche bag